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Thank You Patrick

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and it it is indeed swell to be here and

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be speaking with how you folks it's

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always great to be speaking to a fellow

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devotees of the of the unknown and on

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the cutting edge of least I don't know

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what we're on the cutting edge of

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something but science doesn't accept

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that Patrick thank you and I'd like to

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also also thank Bill Bengston for

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inviting me here to speak before you

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tonight and the third person I would

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like to thank is is my wife Susan she's

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out there somewhere she's responsible

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for my PowerPoint presentation you know

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I could write you a whole sheaf of

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patent claims on an airplane fuselage or

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on a landing gear but gosh darn it I

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can't do PowerPoint so that's where

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we'll have to leave it it looks as good

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as it does because of her basically the

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little abstract that I that you should

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see there on the table in front of you

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gives a little synopsis of what I wish

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to speak about tonight but basically

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it's the UFO problem where we are and

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what's being done about it in the time I

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have to speak to you about it to resolve

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things from a scientific basis and it

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may be that our current science can't

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really unravel UFOs and the UFO

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phenomenon it turns out to be a mighty

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complex problem but I'll tell you a few

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little starts that people are making and

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then we'll go into a few cases recent

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cases to show you what's going on and

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also some throw a few statistics in

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there too so you can see what types of

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numbers were dealing with in in present

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day UFO cases and UFO sighting reports

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hopefully I can get through that in my

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40 minutes there's one of the problems

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right there wasn't quite the one I was

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going to talk about but it is a problem

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everybody's absorbed in something else

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about 68 years ago UFOs burst on the

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scene and since that time to this time

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we've had a plethora of sightings coming

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in many many thousands of science

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hundreds of thousands of sightings have

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probably been

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gathered through the through the

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sixty-eight years and and again as you

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all know a certain percentage of those

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sightings are very spectacular things

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seen by credible people to paraphrase

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general Sanford from 1952 and they can't

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be explained so we have this whole bulk

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this whole hairball of cases that just

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can't be explained we have a whole bunch

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of other ones that can be explained but

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it's the unexplained ones we need to

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resolve and those are the cases that for

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various reasons that it would take

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another lecture to go through science

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really hasn't dug its heels into looking

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at all these years yes there have been

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some scientists there have been some

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efforts but basically we've been

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collecting cases for 68 years and

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haven't gone much beyond that and we

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need to start working with the evidence

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that those cases present to find out

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exactly the meets in the bounds of our

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phenomenon here at hand I have my own

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ideas as to what it is mice my theory my

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belief in notice I use words that are

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subjective is that of course we're

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dealing with a nonhuman phenomenon but

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if I were able to prove it from a

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scientific basis actually somebody would

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have done it long before I and that just

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hasn't been done unfortunately let's

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take a look a little bit and another

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look at the problem and I will say no

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more on that here it is folks it's as

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simple as that there is the problem this

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is a graph and a study that was done by

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Claude Paul hare a French physicist back

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in the early 1970s he took UFO cases

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both explained and unexplained and he

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graphed them as a function of the number

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of reports on the y-axis versus the

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duration in time that each report lasted

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the dotted line here are identified

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cases IFOS that's all the things that

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you are that people cause people to see

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UFOs and clouds satellites planes hoaxes

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whatever and these are the unknown cases

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again cases that were looked at by

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people who are qualified to look at

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cases and and make a decision as to

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whether it was known or unknown

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and we can see that there's a distinct

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phenomenon there it's as simple as that

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and that's all you really need to say -

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yeah I really I could finish the talk

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here and say that there's the UFO

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phenomenon let's do something about that

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that middle curve there and it would be

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nice if we could replicate that today

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because I don't think a whole lot of

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scientists are paying too much attention

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to something that came out in 1971 but

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if we could again it would be a nice

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exercise to use current day cases to see

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whether or not this curve is still

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let's jump right into the meat of what I

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wanted to talk about and that is how can

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we detect these unknown sightings and

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gather data from them to to have

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scientists who are not necessarily in

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this room who are not necessarily

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involved with MUFON or the Center for

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UFO studies or any of the other uniform

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or UF all organizations we need to get

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those people involved well one of the

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things that some folks are working on is

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something called UFO detector and

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tracking apparatus and this is headed up

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by dr. mark rod agur dr. Virani and the

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other folks i have up there on the

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screen

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dr. masters here has invented a new

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spectroscope and he's got a patent on it

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I know because he called me up and we

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were talking about it a little bit so

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there's some pretty high-powered people

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here and their intention is to make and

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it's not really an original idea

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UFO detectors have probably even been

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talked about since 1947 but basically

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they want to make something that is sort

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of sheer say a bus it's just a box of

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instruments we might call that box of

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instruments see the main unit there and

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shown right here the main unit would

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just have basic instruments in it an

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all-sky camera a a whether it's a little

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weather station a magnetometer an

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electrostatic detector and this thing

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would just be set out in the field of a

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place where UFO sightings are occurring

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for example how is it powered well when

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have it by a person's house and

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hopefully that person whose house is

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plugged into would be coming out once in

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a while to maintain the machine but

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basically these instruments would be on

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all the time and they would work in

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conjunction with other other units they

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might have three or four units set up

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set up in the area I'm not sure they

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would communicate with one another but

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they would be there gathering

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information and if if the results are

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warranted it they could add additional

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units we see here an optical unit there

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on the on the right-hand side and and an

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electromagnetic unit there on the

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left-hand side if we had funds for that

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a very sensitive video equipment UV and

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detectors this this type of thing and

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and Marcus there they are raising money

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for this thing here and I don't think

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that prototype has been built but they

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do have hope they literally have this up

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and running in the near future

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and so that's where we stand with this

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project and the good thing about it

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among other things is that it would use

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off-the-shelf equipment they don't have

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to design any instruments that aren't

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currently out there and this sort of

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plug these things into a bus a common

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bus and you could just add as many as

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many buses there as many Suites of

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instruments to the primary unit as you

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wanted a second UFO detector that's also

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being developed this bike it's called

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UFO Todd here I guess it's an acronym

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for UFO photography this is basically

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being headlined by by Douglas Trumbull

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who is a special effects guy in a

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Hollywood some of you might be familiar

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with his name he's worked on two

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thousand or one Silent Running Close

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Encounters and he's obviously an expert

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at that equipment and and knows what

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he's doing he's made a little prototype

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detector of his own that for a while he

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was courting around on a truck but now

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he and Mark Dantonio who say who's a

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MUFON fellow actually he's a photo

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analyst have collaborated too

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produce this thing they call this thing

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a platter but it's just it's again it's

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a tiny array of instruments that will

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have an all-sky camera it will also have

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a device in there where it can detect an

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aircraft going head and pick up a

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transponder if it's on the aircraft so

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that we know whether immediately whether

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we're dealing with an aircraft or maybe

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something else they too will have like a

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gamma ray detector a magnetometer and

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the the downside to theirs is that a lot

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of this equipment has to be designed to

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fit within this little round platter

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it's not necessarily off-the-shelf it

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will also be capable of signaling people

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when it's been activated through a GPS

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system and in contact with the satellite

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so that's something that that marks our

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project the UFO data data doesn't have

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another picture of it here it's got our

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solar cell panels on the side so it does

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not need to be plugged into an extension

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cord however it will need regular

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maintenance so that's where MUFON comes

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into the into the deal here they hope to

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have qualified new find people come out

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to this box every every so often

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periodically every week or whatever it

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might be they're both download

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information from the memory cards on

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board it and and just check to see that

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everything's operating properly

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their plan is to have at least three of

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them in a triangular sort of an array so

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that they could triangulate on anything

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they might pick up as opposed to just

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having one unit out there sitting out

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there by itself this is just like a

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prototype I don't think they actually

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have this one built either and my guess

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would be that they're a little further

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behind than mark auditor and dr. masters

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on their project but I can tell you from

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seeing both Trumbull and and and the

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Antonio speak before the the muon board

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here last year they're deadly serious

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about this thing and if they can raise

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the money and some of it's already been

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raised that they will have these things

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out in the field so hopefully we will

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get some at least data stuff that

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scientists can can actually work with in

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a lab or study and graph out

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as opposed to just another UFO report

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the third one here is something called

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multiple anomaly detector and automatic

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recording this thing is up and running

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and it has been up and running for a

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long time this is headed and run by one

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man out in Mount Vernon Indiana named

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Fran Ridge Frances Ridge is a longtime

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UFO researcher he goes back two to nine

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cap days he's been with MUFON and now

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he's sort of spearheading a project

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called Nike org where they they sort of

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reanalyze and reinvestigate and try to

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put up a lot of documents from of

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historic cases if you go to the Nike org

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site you will see all these cases it's

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it's it's quite a bountiful I'll have to

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speak a little bit oh I won't have to

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speak louder it's quite a bountiful

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array of data there but Fran has been

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running this thing for many many years

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and it's much simpler than the two

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projects I just spoke about he's

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basically got a a bar a an iron bar or

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something is between two sort of

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boundaries and it's the old UFO detector

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that people have spoken about for years

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that if you get a magnetic perturbation

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in the magnetic field it'll pull the

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central bar to one side or another and

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and cause all kinds of stuff to go off

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in his house lights and buzzers and he's

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also got a Geiger counter and a beta

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detector and a gamma gamma ray detector

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hooked up also to it it's very simple

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but it's working and he gets a certain

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number of hits every year and to date

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however he hasn't ever had it happended

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that there has been a local sighting and

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then his equipment goes off he and the

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site he talks about the way he's found

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correlations but they're not the

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correlations you would think he seems to

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pick up stuff that happens way outside

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the range of his equipment and it's

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almost insight in sync with waves of

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sightings that might be 500 miles away

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he doesn't know why that's happened and

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and I again I have a short period of

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time here to to talk about these things

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but one of the interesting things that

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that Franz made our thing picked up in

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1977

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occurred on August 15th of that year

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when his instrument detected it went off

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big-time in other words that the buzzers

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went off the alarms went off a friend

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went out there in the yard with the you

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know binoculars his you know family ran

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all around the house

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I guess he the first thing you would do

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which would be to shut off the buzzer

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then he goes outside but he had

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something like a 209 second event and he

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could never really explain what set that

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event off well lo and behold years later

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he found out in in the late 1990s that

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that was the very time the very day that

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the WoW signal was received by the Ohio

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he hears friends you can see what we're

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dealing with here he's fans a technical

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guy knows what he's talking about but

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he's done all this sort of by himself he

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hasn't gotten much outside funding you

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know individuals might maybe slide him a

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20 every now and then but he it's all on

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a shoestring basis here's fran in 1977

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how his equipment would have looked back

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then when he picked up the signal on the

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very day of the you know the wild signal

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he wasn't sitting there that day the

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automatic recording that's that's why

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you do automatic recordings so you don't

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have to do what he's doing right there

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24 hours a day there's the there's the

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WoW signal France 209 second signal

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completely circumscribed that that

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signal if it fit nested within his

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signal I know no one's actually picked

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up on this and in the larger world of

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science but I think that's a kind of an

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amazing thing insofar as Frank could

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determine directions that was even in

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the same direction as Ohio State

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University picked it up like I oh hi Oh

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state was I think looking Southwest and

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France stuff was looking northeast and

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he figured it was to the Northeast and

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they figured their target in the sky was

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sort of in the southwest quadrant of the

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sky so they it almost seems like they

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were detecting the same thing I don't

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know what to say about that except that

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it's mighty intriguing I listed here

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three of the primary primary

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organizations that are involved in UFO

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research today

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I use the term kind of loosely since one

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of the organization's isn't actually

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doing research per se

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MUFON certainly as the mutual UFO

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network it has about thirty five hundred

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members who are getting thousands of

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cases in investigators in every state

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everyone's trying to do a little bit to

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unravel these cases and to to

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investigate every case that comes into

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into the organization the National

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Aviation Reporting Center on aerial

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phenomenon aerial phenomena nor cap is

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run by dr. Richard Haines again a long

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time a UFO researcher and and his

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basically is looking at events that

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involve aircraft if something seems to

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be interacting with an aircraft or

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passes in front of it or or could pose a

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threat to an aircraft he wants to know

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about it both for airline safety and for

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furthering the study of what he would

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call you ap ok unidentified aerial

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phenomena so his site the the the the

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nor kept org site is filled with a bunch

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of technical papers they did a really

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good paper on which the O'Hare incident

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over Chicago a number of years ago and

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and how an object could punch a hole

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through the the overcast with which the

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object that was seen that day was said

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to have done punched a clear hole

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through through the overcast so he could

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see the sky above it well what kind of

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energy would it take to heat up the air

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and punch a hole in the clouds well you

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can read about that on his site he's

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also done a report on how a sphere could

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fly through the air

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you know the physics and the

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aerodynamics of a sphere how could it

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fly how could it maybe generate lift

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what could be behind this so it's a very

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technical site he has a board of

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directors and people who do solicit

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these reports but they keep pretty much

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to themselves they don't make a whole

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lot of public statements they come out

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with news releases every once in a while

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but you can bet that they'll probably be

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on that or at least thinking about that

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drone thing that almost ran into it and

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then an aircraft passed by I think it

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was at Kennedy Airport today or New York

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today just one in a number series of air

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aircraft passing very close to drones

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sometimes they're drones and sometimes

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we need to know about them all and the

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last organization that I have down there

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is the national UFO Reporting Center

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that's headquarters in in in Seattle

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Washington and it's run by a Peter

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Davenport and Peter saw a function here

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is to collect reports he amasses large

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numbers of reports on his site you can

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go on there you can look back through

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all the reports from the the years past

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and he's pretty out there guys on a lot

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of internet radio programs and he does a

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lot of interviews in this type thing he

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does not claim to be a researcher he's

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not investigating these cases every once

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in a while he will pass a case on to

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MUFON that he feels is significant but

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uh but he and MUFON and our cab don't

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they just

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he doesn't really work too closely with

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any of those organizations though we're

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all friends let's take a little look

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here at the at the phenomenon today what

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what volume of cases are we talking

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about here you'll see like the graph

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says the UFO sightings that were

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received in a particular year by MUFON

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and last year they were slightly over

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5000 or slightly over 6,000 I have the

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exact figure here somewhere a slight

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downward trend but this is a large

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number of incoming cases when you think

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that project Bluebook throughout its 22

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years of history collected something

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like I think it was 12,000 cases so

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MUFON gets in one year basically what

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what Bluebook got in 22 years I here's a

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breakout of again the the disposition of

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cases what percentage were explained

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what were unexplained you can see the

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large segments there from the 12 o'clock

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position down to the four o'clock

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position

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might be a little hard for you to read

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but that's basically the one we're all

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interested in that's the unknowns they

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stand at 33 percent all the rest of the

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categories are are basically IFOS or

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insufficient information it's kind of

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interesting that the hoax is that four

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percent the project Bluebook always

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found hoaxes that three percent

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ourselves so that that number of stayed

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steady all these years

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the unknowns that's also within the

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range of percentages that we have

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gathered from 1947 to this day Blue Book

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found a much smaller number of

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unexplained cases they had 701 out of

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their 12000 that was almost 40 and right

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there and so they had a very small rate

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seven percent on no one's the the

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Colorado state you Col urado University

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of Colorado Condon committee study had

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about a 33 percent unknown rate the

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French people when they looked at cases

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and actually try to explain them or not

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explain them they come up with a pretty

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high rate to of around 25 to 35 percent

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unknowing so the 33 percent is again

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it's a little higher end but totally

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consistent what kinds of shapes again I

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think everybody in here knows the kind

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of shapes that are being reported but

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this just sort of reinforces that the

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big blue one there again from about the

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12 to the 4 o'clock position is

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spherical and circular and circular in

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this instance I found out was defined as

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simply a circle no 3rd dimension to it

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someone just sees a you know circular

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light in the night sky that has

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something you know appreciable angular

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diameter that would be circular as

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opposed to something discoid all where

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you see the third dimension there you

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see the thickness of the thing the the

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disks are right in here

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Oh triangles are here we can talk for we

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fiha reticle we could talk quite a while

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about how the shapes have changed over

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the years well were there more saucers

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back in the 40s and 50s being reported

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than triangular objects were the more

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cigar shaped objects and 1970 than now

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and yes these categories have changed a

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little bit they they're not rigid what

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we have seen drop off over the years and

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this this graph this pie chart doesn't

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really reflect that is the fact that

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there are very few see two cases in C

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III cases reported anymore and by c e

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twos I would mean a case where we have

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an object interacting with a car to

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cause it to stop or interacting with a

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person to cause

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physical harm to them burns or it

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affects vegetation on the ground a ce3

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case again to refresh your memory would

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be a case where an occupant of the of

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the object is seen there's some kind of

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an entity present yes they still come in

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they don't come in quite in the numbers

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that they were in the 60s and 70s and

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and from my talking with other people

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who are sort of to attuned into this we

545
00:22:16,890 --> 00:22:15,220
do feel that it's an actual adjunct of

546
00:22:21,060 --> 00:22:16,900
the phenomenon this is not a reporting

547
00:22:22,260 --> 00:22:21,070
phenomenon or more people are not

548
00:22:24,030 --> 00:22:22,270
reporting these things where they did

549
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:24,040
report them in the 50s or 60s we think

550
00:22:28,350 --> 00:22:25,690
the phenomenon really has changed its

551
00:22:30,750 --> 00:22:28,360
modus operandi a little bit but that's

552
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:30,760
again it's something that we could look

553
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:35,290
into a statistically here's right up to

554
00:22:40,980 --> 00:22:38,650
date on UFO sightings that have been

555
00:22:44,580 --> 00:22:40,990
received by the MUFON case management

556
00:22:46,620 --> 00:22:44,590
system the CMS that's the database into

557
00:22:50,010 --> 00:22:46,630
which all incoming cases in in MUFON are

558
00:22:52,410 --> 00:22:50,020
placed these cases are then doled out to

559
00:22:54,180 --> 00:22:52,420
the state directors so just through the

560
00:22:58,200 --> 00:22:54,190
first four months of this year there's

561
00:23:00,360 --> 00:22:58,210
over 1400 cases these cases have not

562
00:23:02,430 --> 00:23:00,370
necessarily been investigated and this

563
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:02,440
was a snapshot of the day that I

564
00:23:04,950 --> 00:23:04,210
compiled these things which I think was

565
00:23:07,530 --> 00:23:04,960
May 15th

566
00:23:08,130 --> 00:23:07,540
I guarantee to you that the next day May

567
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:08,140
16th

568
00:23:11,340 --> 00:23:10,090
all these categories changed a little

569
00:23:12,810 --> 00:23:11,350
bit because some people still haven't

570
00:23:14,610 --> 00:23:12,820
reported a case that occurred to them in

571
00:23:17,340 --> 00:23:14,620
April they might decide to log it into

572
00:23:19,230 --> 00:23:17,350
the CMS system next month or tomorrow or

573
00:23:25,020 --> 00:23:19,240
a year from now so none of these

574
00:23:26,700 --> 00:23:25,030
categories again are static yeah can't

575
00:23:28,940 --> 00:23:26,710
California always leads what kind of

576
00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:28,950
what can I say it's a big State

577
00:23:35,570 --> 00:23:31,360
Virginia's been trying its best but yeah

578
00:23:39,300 --> 00:23:35,580
it's just what can I say

579
00:23:42,150 --> 00:23:39,310
let's look at the the unknowns in here

580
00:23:44,370 --> 00:23:42,160
just this sample that I just put up here

581
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:44,380
just through January from January

582
00:23:49,050 --> 00:23:46,960
through April we're seeing an unknown

583
00:23:51,150 --> 00:23:49,060
rate of 20.9%

584
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:51,160
I would almost venture to say that

585
00:23:54,150 --> 00:23:52,810
doesn't mean too much because a lot of

586
00:23:56,820 --> 00:23:54,160
these cases have not been investigated

587
00:23:59,280 --> 00:23:56,830
yet so that percentage of 20.9 will go

588
00:24:01,740 --> 00:23:59,290
up or down but again you can see it's

589
00:24:04,260 --> 00:24:01,750
not 80 percent it's not 70 percent and

590
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:04,270
again logically thinking about this I

591
00:24:07,290 --> 00:24:05,890
think you would come to the conclusion

592
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:07,300
that there's an awful lot of stuff up

593
00:24:13,140 --> 00:24:11,050
there in the sky and most of it is not a

594
00:24:15,540 --> 00:24:13,150
true you at all it's it's an airplane or

595
00:24:17,850 --> 00:24:15,550
a satellite or or or whatever so there's

596
00:24:19,260 --> 00:24:17,860
always gonna be a lot more static than

597
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:19,270
there is signal the signal is always

598
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:22,570
going to be kind of small for comparison

599
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:24,250
I threw the national UFO Reporting

600
00:24:31,050 --> 00:24:27,250
Center stats in there for the same time

601
00:24:33,210 --> 00:24:31,060
period they have 1700 cases so Peter so

602
00:24:35,070 --> 00:24:33,220
it's a few more cases than MUFON does

603
00:24:36,990 --> 00:24:35,080
and admittedly there's a huge overlap

604
00:24:39,420 --> 00:24:37,000
between these but but I don't know what

605
00:24:40,890 --> 00:24:39,430
percent of that overlap how big that

606
00:24:47,540 --> 00:24:40,900
overlap is how many people report to

607
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:51,030
let's take a look at a few five cases I

608
00:24:57,450 --> 00:24:54,450
have here all fairly recent for your

609
00:24:59,430 --> 00:24:57,460
intellectual enjoyment I hope the first

610
00:25:01,230 --> 00:24:59,440
case occurred about two years ago it's a

611
00:25:02,460 --> 00:25:01,240
little outside the realm of I wanted to

612
00:25:05,340 --> 00:25:02,470
pick within the last year in the last

613
00:25:07,140 --> 00:25:05,350
few months I picked all these out front

614
00:25:08,700 --> 00:25:07,150
from the CMS system myself with the

615
00:25:12,060 --> 00:25:08,710
exception of this case which was given

616
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:12,070
fairly high priority in the organization

617
00:25:15,900 --> 00:25:13,690
I think it was put on the front of their

618
00:25:17,910 --> 00:25:15,910
annual report this was an interesting

619
00:25:19,950 --> 00:25:17,920
case and and it reveals one of the

620
00:25:22,860 --> 00:25:19,960
complete frustrations and aggravations

621
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:22,870
that UFO researchers are are well used

622
00:25:26,790 --> 00:25:24,730
to over the years it occurred over

623
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:26,800
Picayune Mississippi this was not a

624
00:25:29,460 --> 00:25:28,480
small deal I'll tell you right now this

625
00:25:32,340 --> 00:25:29,470
is kind of a big deal

626
00:25:35,700 --> 00:25:32,350
and it involves three states this pilot

627
00:25:38,810 --> 00:25:35,710
of a Cessna 172 took off from from

628
00:25:43,049 --> 00:25:38,820
Louisiana from Slidell Louisiana and

629
00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:43,059
just at about 3:15 3:17 in the after

630
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:45,130
this is a daylight sighting that in

631
00:25:50,039 --> 00:25:47,650
itself is a good thing and as he was

632
00:25:51,900 --> 00:25:50,049
flying north to do north he noticed this

633
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:51,910
object he said it was about eight feet

634
00:25:55,110 --> 00:25:54,250
off his wing he was flying about 150

635
00:25:57,450 --> 00:25:55,120
miles per hour

636
00:26:00,000 --> 00:25:57,460
he thought the object was about 33 feet

637
00:26:00,810 --> 00:26:00,010
33 inches in diameter okay a little

638
00:26:04,970 --> 00:26:00,820
under a yard

639
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:04,980
it was circular or oval and it had this

640
00:26:09,419 --> 00:26:07,450
sort of a fin sticking up here that's a

641
00:26:11,390 --> 00:26:09,429
flat thing and that flat thing was

642
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:11,400
oriented with the longitudinal axis

643
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:13,450
facing the direction of travel

644
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:14,650
it doesn't make very much sense

645
00:26:19,650 --> 00:26:17,770
aerodynamically but a lot of stuff

646
00:26:21,690 --> 00:26:19,660
doesn't in ufology that's what he

647
00:26:23,610 --> 00:26:21,700
reported he watched it for two or three

648
00:26:25,740 --> 00:26:23,620
seconds and the thing drifted off his

649
00:26:28,890 --> 00:26:25,750
wing due south

650
00:26:32,430 --> 00:26:28,900
that was the entire sighting from the

651
00:26:34,950 --> 00:26:32,440
pilots point of view well you find

652
00:26:36,450 --> 00:26:34,960
immediately filed for radar reports from

653
00:26:39,539 --> 00:26:36,460
the air force because there were a whole

654
00:26:41,310 --> 00:26:39,549
lot of radar detecting facilities in the

655
00:26:43,799 --> 00:26:41,320
area not all of them government by any

656
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:43,809
means but I think the the the Air Force

657
00:26:46,919 --> 00:26:45,130
in this case was sort of doing these

658
00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:46,929
things out but they got a good response

659
00:26:52,289 --> 00:26:48,640
the Air Force sent them all the files

660
00:26:54,810 --> 00:26:52,299
they had and so here's the amazing

661
00:26:57,450 --> 00:26:54,820
you're completely irritating thing the

662
00:27:00,600 --> 00:26:57,460
Slidell Airport which the pilot had just

663
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:00,610
left that radar picked up the aircraft

664
00:27:07,770 --> 00:27:04,210
the Cessna but not the UFO in Citronelle

665
00:27:10,260 --> 00:27:07,780
Alabama to the east of the pilot it

666
00:27:14,820 --> 00:27:10,270
picked up a UFO track but didn't pick up

667
00:27:16,140 --> 00:27:14,830
the airplane moreover while the pilot

668
00:27:20,850 --> 00:27:16,150
said the thing was just maybe 10 feet

669
00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:20,860
off his wing tip the air for the the

670
00:27:24,539 --> 00:27:22,480
radar records show that the airplane on

671
00:27:28,260 --> 00:27:24,549
the unknown object never got closer than

672
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:28,270
five miles let's take a look at our one

673
00:27:42,590 --> 00:27:39,120
here's the aircraft basically flying due

674
00:27:45,419 --> 00:27:42,600
north here at about 150 miles per hour

675
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:45,429
here was the time of the sighting about

676
00:27:53,310 --> 00:27:50,770
23 26 or so in the afternoon at 3:17

677
00:27:56,450 --> 00:27:53,320
this is 317 this is the track of the

678
00:28:00,270 --> 00:27:56,460
unknown object this rather meandering

679
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:00,280
nonlinear path a 3:17 the pilot hadn't

680
00:28:03,900 --> 00:28:02,530
taken off yet so although although the

681
00:28:05,940 --> 00:28:03,910
aircraft looks like it's close to the

682
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:05,950
UFO here they're not close in time they

683
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:07,570
were not at all close there

684
00:28:10,980 --> 00:28:10,330
the closest is here's 326 for the

685
00:28:12,870 --> 00:28:10,990
aircraft

686
00:28:17,910 --> 00:28:12,880
there's 326 for the unknown object

687
00:28:19,950 --> 00:28:17,920
that's about five miles apart now what

688
00:28:21,390 --> 00:28:19,960
about this on track here well we see

689
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:21,400
that for a little while this object put

690
00:28:25,789 --> 00:28:23,410
on a burst of speed at about 190 miles

691
00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:25,799
per hour drop down to 60 miles per hour

692
00:28:31,230 --> 00:28:28,480
38 and it's really moving slow there

693
00:28:33,539 --> 00:28:31,240
picks up the speed a little bit and it

694
00:28:35,250 --> 00:28:33,549
loses a lot of time at all enough time

695
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:35,260
that the airplane finally is able to go

696
00:28:42,690 --> 00:28:40,950
bear in mind that if you say well this

697
00:28:45,060 --> 00:28:42,700
is just another guy flying in a cessna

698
00:28:47,789 --> 00:28:45,070
that the top speed of the cessna then

699
00:28:50,370 --> 00:28:47,799
not to exceed speed is 188 miles per

700
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:50,380
hour they're serious about that when

701
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:52,090
they say 188 they don't just mean around

702
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:55,210
188 that's what the aircraft safely will

703
00:29:01,740 --> 00:28:57,490
take you at moreover the stall speed of

704
00:29:03,780 --> 00:29:01,750
a Cessna is about 54 miles per hour this

705
00:29:07,049 --> 00:29:03,790
object here is going out a lot less than

706
00:29:08,850 --> 00:29:07,059
that here we see 38 46 and it's flying

707
00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:08,860
this kind of convoluted pattern I don't

708
00:29:13,919 --> 00:29:10,809
know what that thing was the pilot is

709
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:13,929
adamant to that he didn't see something

710
00:29:17,310 --> 00:29:15,730
five miles away that object would have

711
00:29:20,159 --> 00:29:17,320
been several thousands of feet in

712
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:20,169
diameter if he had he says it was you

713
00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:21,850
know eight to ten feet off the wing and

714
00:29:27,870 --> 00:29:25,120
he sticks by his story nobody else

715
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:27,880
reported seeing anything that day again

716
00:29:32,539 --> 00:29:29,530
I don't like to say how things would

717
00:29:34,530 --> 00:29:32,549
have been like a lot of the debunkers

718
00:29:35,940 --> 00:29:34,540
sometimes do but if this thing really

719
00:29:37,919 --> 00:29:35,950
were several thousand feet in diameter

720
00:29:40,260 --> 00:29:37,929
and it were five miles away from the of

721
00:29:41,789 --> 00:29:40,270
the pilot when when he said it was ten

722
00:29:45,780 --> 00:29:41,799
feet I would have thought that maybe

723
00:29:47,250 --> 00:29:45,790
even in this area not a spark not not as

724
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:47,260
heavily populated as here of course

725
00:29:51,539 --> 00:29:49,090
there would have been some reports about

726
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:51,549
you know a 3,000 foot disc but they

727
00:29:56,370 --> 00:29:54,730
weren't maybe we were dealing with two

728
00:29:58,049 --> 00:29:56,380
objects that's how perverse this feels

729
00:30:00,150 --> 00:29:58,059
sometimes yes maybe there was a little

730
00:30:01,950 --> 00:30:00,160
one I'll been another one traveling you

731
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:01,960
know abreast of it at some distance from

732
00:30:09,820 --> 00:30:05,650
it I don't know but there you have it

733
00:30:12,060 --> 00:30:09,830
that's the Picayune Mississippi case we

734
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:12,070
move a little closer to home here

735
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:14,930
Richmond Virginia a little more than a

736
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:19,490
year ago March 8th a person who was out

737
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:23,360
walking his dog our dogs late at night

738
00:30:28,780 --> 00:30:26,810
early in the morning so what he said was

739
00:30:32,740 --> 00:30:28,790
this sort of a triangular object to see

740
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:32,750
there and as he was watching or yeah I'm

741
00:30:36,850 --> 00:30:34,970
sorry it was a rectangular object it's

742
00:30:38,860 --> 00:30:36,860
shown off what's what he said with three

743
00:30:41,500 --> 00:30:38,870
flares that more or less went straight

744
00:30:42,820 --> 00:30:41,510
down to the ground and simultaneously he

745
00:30:44,470 --> 00:30:42,830
hadn't seen this before but there were

746
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:44,480
some lights off to the sort of to the

747
00:30:48,970 --> 00:30:47,210
left of this large rectangular object

748
00:30:51,370 --> 00:30:48,980
those objects immediately merged with a

749
00:30:59,080 --> 00:30:51,380
larger one this this thing was seen

750
00:31:00,520 --> 00:30:59,090
close by do I have the actual I want to

751
00:31:02,470 --> 00:31:00,530
get the distance on some of these if I

752
00:31:03,790 --> 00:31:02,480
could these not pinpoints of light and

753
00:31:06,370 --> 00:31:03,800
the sky we're talking about here I tried

754
00:31:08,590 --> 00:31:06,380
to pick cases where they're the the

755
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:08,600
object couldn't be missing it wasn't a

756
00:31:14,770 --> 00:31:10,130
misinterpretation of an aircraft or a

757
00:31:17,620 --> 00:31:14,780
star or satellite well I guess they

758
00:31:18,670 --> 00:31:17,630
don't have it on this one but anyhow it

759
00:31:20,860 --> 00:31:18,680
was large enough that he could easily

760
00:31:22,420 --> 00:31:20,870
ascertain that that this that this thing

761
00:31:23,950 --> 00:31:22,430
was rectangular and I had lights around

762
00:31:26,980 --> 00:31:23,960
the periphery of it like you see there

763
00:31:29,260 --> 00:31:26,990
these rectangular things are seemed to

764
00:31:31,150 --> 00:31:29,270
be increasingly common and reports I can

765
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:31,160
tell you that this odd phenomenon of

766
00:31:34,270 --> 00:31:32,570
shooting things out of the object

767
00:31:37,060 --> 00:31:34,280
straight down toward the ground almost

768
00:31:38,530 --> 00:31:37,070
goes back to June 24th 1947 I have a

769
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:38,540
case that occurred on that day I believe

770
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:41,890
it was and a few years ago we had a

771
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:44,210
sighting of this the same kind of

772
00:31:48,910 --> 00:31:46,970
phenomenon from a football shaped object

773
00:31:51,430 --> 00:31:48,920
at Houston International Airport I think

774
00:31:53,890 --> 00:31:51,440
it was where I pilot twice saw a

775
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:53,900
football shape object disgorge a little

776
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:55,130
red flare straight down toward the

777
00:31:59,170 --> 00:31:57,410
ground more or less on the entrance path

778
00:32:00,790 --> 00:31:59,180
two planes are coming on in on their

779
00:32:02,770 --> 00:32:00,800
final approach to the airport it was a

780
00:32:04,090 --> 00:32:02,780
very good sighting but again that's

781
00:32:10,090 --> 00:32:04,100
something that goes back many many years

782
00:32:18,140 --> 00:32:14,420
October 2014 Columbus Indiana this this

783
00:32:21,740 --> 00:32:18,150
was a woman who was living with her

784
00:32:23,060 --> 00:32:21,750
parents temporarily felt a strange

785
00:32:25,700 --> 00:32:23,070
compulsion to go out and smoke a

786
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:25,710
cigarette man she did smoke cigarettes

787
00:32:28,250 --> 00:32:26,880
it wasn't that she never smoked and

788
00:32:31,100 --> 00:32:28,260
suddenly thought you know god I gotta

789
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:31,110
have a cigarette but I will say thank

790
00:32:35,950 --> 00:32:33,090
God for people who smoke and walk dogs

791
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:35,960
we wouldn't have a lot of sightings I

792
00:32:39,230 --> 00:32:37,650
can't think of anything good about

793
00:32:40,730 --> 00:32:39,240
smoking but it we do get an increased

794
00:32:42,620 --> 00:32:40,740
number of UFO reports from people who

795
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:42,630
are outside smoking cigarettes yeah sue

796
00:32:46,370 --> 00:32:44,130
can tell you how many cases she sees

797
00:32:49,850 --> 00:32:46,380
were I was out having a small Quinn you

798
00:32:51,410 --> 00:32:49,860
know you name it this person both works

799
00:32:54,230 --> 00:32:51,420
for an airline she's a flight attendant

800
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:54,240
and she's a nursing student I know how

801
00:32:59,420 --> 00:32:56,210
she fits it all in but somehow she does

802
00:33:00,680 --> 00:32:59,430
this object she thought she could she

803
00:33:02,270 --> 00:33:00,690
really knows all her stuff about

804
00:33:04,010 --> 00:33:02,280
aircraft so she's not gonna fool be

805
00:33:06,350 --> 00:33:04,020
fooled by a simple airplane going across

806
00:33:09,710 --> 00:33:06,360
the night sky she felt this object was

807
00:33:15,140 --> 00:33:09,720
pretty high fifteen to twenty thousand

808
00:33:18,020 --> 00:33:15,150
feet high it had a dark main body here

809
00:33:19,550 --> 00:33:18,030
and it had what she described as blood

810
00:33:21,410 --> 00:33:19,560
red lights I thought that was kind of

811
00:33:23,150 --> 00:33:21,420
funny coming from a nursing student she

812
00:33:25,150 --> 00:33:23,160
said the color of the red was like the

813
00:33:28,340 --> 00:33:25,160
venous blood coming back to the heart a

814
00:33:30,140 --> 00:33:28,350
dog deep red or something like that and

815
00:33:32,090 --> 00:33:30,150
it also had these white lights are

816
00:33:34,580 --> 00:33:32,100
somewhat around the leading edge that

817
00:33:37,370 --> 00:33:34,590
you can see there the odd thing about

818
00:33:38,900 --> 00:33:37,380
those lights was that they were not the

819
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:38,910
drawing sort of shows them symmetrical

820
00:33:42,980 --> 00:33:41,730
but she says there there were like more

821
00:33:45,470 --> 00:33:42,990
on one side than on the other

822
00:33:49,340 --> 00:33:45,480
again UFOs often seem to exhibit this

823
00:33:51,470 --> 00:33:49,350
weird asymmetry is that you just can't

824
00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:51,480
explain why that is and it also gave off

825
00:33:56,090 --> 00:33:54,510
what she could see is a like a wisp of a

826
00:33:58,250 --> 00:33:56,100
trail or something behind it as I was

827
00:33:59,570 --> 00:33:58,260
moving through the sky she called her

828
00:34:02,990 --> 00:33:59,580
mother out when the object was still

829
00:34:05,270 --> 00:34:03,000
fairly small in the sky and and so they

830
00:34:08,780 --> 00:34:05,280
had two witnesses to this thing and it

831
00:34:10,460 --> 00:34:08,790
alternately moved along a course I

832
00:34:11,720 --> 00:34:10,470
forget which way this was moving I think

833
00:34:13,730 --> 00:34:11,730
it was moving to the east sort of

834
00:34:15,350 --> 00:34:13,740
doesn't matter but but it would stop and

835
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:15,360
hover for minutes at a time the thing

836
00:34:18,770 --> 00:34:16,890
wouldn't move then it would start up

837
00:34:20,810 --> 00:34:18,780
again and move so that took about 15

838
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:20,820
minutes or so for this thing to go from

839
00:34:25,819 --> 00:34:22,649
in the distance to straight overhead to

840
00:34:29,089 --> 00:34:25,829
with fading from view along itself along

841
00:34:34,450 --> 00:34:29,099
its linear path a very odd kind of a

842
00:34:40,669 --> 00:34:37,460
Fox Island Washington State November

843
00:34:42,019 --> 00:34:40,679
20th 2014 we didn't move on board

844
00:34:43,789 --> 00:34:42,029
meeting a telephonic board meeting that

845
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:43,799
night I wonder if that had anything to

846
00:34:48,589 --> 00:34:46,649
do with it and anyhow Fox Island is a

847
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:48,599
little island out in Puget Sound it's

848
00:34:53,299 --> 00:34:51,119
connected from mainland by a bridge this

849
00:34:55,879 --> 00:34:53,309
was the case where we had a number of

850
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:55,889
witnesses I a young man and his

851
00:35:01,220 --> 00:34:57,690
girlfriend were travelling in separate

852
00:35:02,150 --> 00:35:01,230
cars actually to his house he couldn't

853
00:35:08,599 --> 00:35:02,160
have been that late in the evening I

854
00:35:11,870 --> 00:35:08,609
forget the exact time on this thing yeah

855
00:35:13,339 --> 00:35:11,880
8 o'clock in the evening and they they

856
00:35:14,930 --> 00:35:13,349
saw this thing that he described it's

857
00:35:18,279 --> 00:35:14,940
basically sort of like a well he said

858
00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:18,289
this was a globular cockpit his words

859
00:35:23,299 --> 00:35:21,599
with two wings extending somewhat swept

860
00:35:26,690 --> 00:35:23,309
back from the thing so so that it was

861
00:35:28,970 --> 00:35:26,700
moving in this direction red lights on

862
00:35:31,279 --> 00:35:28,980
the edges of the wings and there were

863
00:35:35,710 --> 00:35:31,289
two of these objects one was somewhat

864
00:35:38,900 --> 00:35:35,720
further back and he was flabbergasted he

865
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:38,910
stopped the car looked at these things I

866
00:35:42,559 --> 00:35:40,890
think even put down the window and

867
00:35:45,019 --> 00:35:42,569
looked out of the car but the amazing

868
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:45,029
thing was that through his windshield

869
00:35:51,710 --> 00:35:47,930
the object filled the entire windshield

870
00:35:52,549 --> 00:35:51,720
and so we're not talking about a small

871
00:35:55,010 --> 00:35:52,559
object here

872
00:35:56,539 --> 00:35:55,020
his girlfriend also saw it he maneuvered

873
00:35:58,490 --> 00:35:56,549
his car around to see the object better

874
00:36:03,019 --> 00:35:58,500
and when he looked up again at it the

875
00:36:05,029 --> 00:36:03,029
the object was gone he went on home and

876
00:36:08,359 --> 00:36:05,039
told his father about it and his mother

877
00:36:09,789 --> 00:36:08,369
came home some twenty minutes later from

878
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:09,799
an air under or whatever and she

879
00:36:16,339 --> 00:36:13,680
reported that she saw these objects - in

880
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:16,349
this case they were slightly transposed

881
00:36:20,210 --> 00:36:18,450
from where he had seen them were the man

882
00:36:21,799 --> 00:36:20,220
the fellow and his girlfriend has seen

883
00:36:24,740 --> 00:36:21,809
them she saw one of them hovering over a

884
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:24,750
marsh and then she drove a little bit

885
00:36:28,460 --> 00:36:26,160
and winter on a bend and she thought she

886
00:36:29,930 --> 00:36:28,470
saw the same one hovering over water but

887
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:29,940
then when she realized that her son had

888
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:31,170
seen two of them she thought well maybe

889
00:36:34,910 --> 00:36:33,450
I saw the same - they just maneuver to a

890
00:36:37,099 --> 00:36:34,920
different position but

891
00:36:40,849 --> 00:36:37,109
that that's the Fox Island Washington

892
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:40,859
case there was no sound heard the

893
00:36:44,420 --> 00:36:42,450
witnesses were very disturbed by what

894
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:44,430
they had seen and on all of these cases

895
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:45,839
that I'm showing you here today these

896
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:48,240
five and all the cases I speak about in

897
00:36:52,819 --> 00:36:49,170
detail like this

898
00:36:54,559 --> 00:36:52,829
they've all been investigated and and

899
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:54,569
and come up with the on the unknown

900
00:36:57,710 --> 00:36:56,400
category you could argue that the

901
00:36:59,329 --> 00:36:57,720
investigator was wrong or something but

902
00:37:02,660 --> 00:36:59,339
that's the imprimatur that MUFON has

903
00:37:06,500 --> 00:37:02,670
given on these cases and here's the last

904
00:37:07,970 --> 00:37:06,510
one I have King George Virginia this was

905
00:37:09,980 --> 00:37:07,980
the case that was investigated by one of

906
00:37:12,620 --> 00:37:09,990
souza chief investigators and fellow

907
00:37:15,530 --> 00:37:12,630
named norm ganyan just occurred a little

908
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:15,540
over a month ago a woman driving down a

909
00:37:20,930 --> 00:37:18,690
road saw this again a rectangular object

910
00:37:24,260 --> 00:37:20,940
with three white lights along the

911
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:24,270
shorter and so the object was traveling

912
00:37:28,250 --> 00:37:26,130
toward the left here I think she was on

913
00:37:30,910 --> 00:37:28,260
route 301 this thing was going somewhat

914
00:37:33,140 --> 00:37:30,920
to the east she was heading south and

915
00:37:36,380 --> 00:37:33,150
lights on the back with one red light in

916
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:36,390
the middle there as she did an

917
00:37:40,010 --> 00:37:38,640
interesting thing she did what we call

918
00:37:41,599 --> 00:37:40,020
people have worked in the field for a

919
00:37:43,730 --> 00:37:41,609
long time would call escalation of

920
00:37:46,130 --> 00:37:43,740
hypotheses she first thought she was

921
00:37:47,809 --> 00:37:46,140
looking at two airplanes and then maybe

922
00:37:50,839 --> 00:37:47,819
one airplane and she tried to

923
00:37:52,819 --> 00:37:50,849
rationalize it with them with something

924
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:52,829
she knew but it didn't work

925
00:37:56,299 --> 00:37:54,690
she said IIIi was drawn to the

926
00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:56,309
conclusion beyond a shadow of a doubt

927
00:38:00,049 --> 00:37:58,290
that this was a large rectangular object

928
00:38:02,210 --> 00:38:00,059
with lights on either end she said it

929
00:38:05,150 --> 00:38:02,220
had a dark body and and you couldn't see

930
00:38:06,980 --> 00:38:05,160
clouds or the sky through this thing but

931
00:38:10,670 --> 00:38:06,990
it was basically opaque she thought it

932
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:10,680
was like dark glass and she she from

933
00:38:14,569 --> 00:38:12,960
reading the report I found it that she

934
00:38:16,220 --> 00:38:14,579
found it hard to put into words what

935
00:38:17,510 --> 00:38:16,230
exactly she was looking at on the dark

936
00:38:22,910 --> 00:38:17,520
part of that object like it might have

937
00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:22,920
been wavery a little bit or like Street

938
00:38:26,809 --> 00:38:24,720
to glass or something just didn't seem

939
00:38:28,789 --> 00:38:26,819
right about that center part to her but

940
00:38:30,530 --> 00:38:28,799
she watched this thing in it and it just

941
00:38:33,530 --> 00:38:30,540
like all these things just flew flew out

942
00:38:35,900 --> 00:38:33,540
of out of range and and that was it and

943
00:38:37,940 --> 00:38:35,910
and and that's the last case I have to

944
00:38:40,309 --> 00:38:37,950
tell you and and I will I leave you with

945
00:38:43,309 --> 00:38:40,319
that general Sanford's words again boy

946
00:38:45,170 --> 00:38:43,319
hey pick on Air Force guys but Sanford

947
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:45,180
did a pretty had some memorable things

948
00:38:49,070 --> 00:38:46,890
he said in his press conference back in

949
00:38:51,140 --> 00:38:49,080
52 the barrier of underst

950
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:51,150
on all this he said it's not one that's

951
00:38:55,700 --> 00:38:54,000
often crossed and I would I would echo

952
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:55,710
those words today and that's my

953
00:38:59,630 --> 00:38:57,570
presentation and I will be glad to take

954
00:39:08,560 --> 00:38:59,640
hopefully try to answer any questions

955
00:39:11,240 --> 00:39:08,570
that that you might have thank you

956
00:39:18,290 --> 00:39:11,250
if not you're all free to leave and you

957
00:39:20,420 --> 00:39:18,300
know roam about the country and and yeah

958
00:39:22,220 --> 00:39:20,430
I just wanted to know you know some of

959
00:39:23,810 --> 00:39:22,230
the things look like photographs some

960
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:23,820
were obviously drawing so it's obvious

961
00:39:27,500 --> 00:39:25,890
that the person who saw it drew it but

962
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:27,510
in a couple of them I wasn't sure

963
00:39:30,470 --> 00:39:28,890
whether somebody had taken the

964
00:39:32,330 --> 00:39:30,480
photograph with the cell phone if you

965
00:39:34,580 --> 00:39:32,340
could just say which ones were actually

966
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:34,590
photographs and with your drawings well

967
00:39:37,940 --> 00:39:36,480
that's a good question I I should have I

968
00:39:39,350 --> 00:39:37,950
should have stated that none of these

969
00:39:41,210 --> 00:39:39,360
were photographs the answer is very

970
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:41,220
simple all of them were either the

971
00:39:45,650 --> 00:39:43,200
witness drawings or the investigators

972
00:39:47,660 --> 00:39:45,660
rendition the really good ones that I

973
00:39:49,370 --> 00:39:47,670
last showed in the earlier one of a

974
00:39:51,530 --> 00:39:49,380
rectangular object were both done by

975
00:39:53,930 --> 00:39:51,540
norman canyon ganyan who is an artist

976
00:39:57,380 --> 00:39:53,940
the rest were done by the the witnesses

977
00:40:01,310 --> 00:39:57,390
themselves drawing these things one of

978
00:40:04,670 --> 00:40:01,320
the enigmas in my mind is MUFON and its

979
00:40:07,310 --> 00:40:04,680
association with Robert Bigelow Robert

980
00:40:08,870 --> 00:40:07,320
Bigelow that had needs the National

981
00:40:12,620 --> 00:40:08,880
Institute for discovery science

982
00:40:15,230 --> 00:40:12,630
multi-billionaire the only guy that that

983
00:40:17,380 --> 00:40:15,240
owns Bigelow Aerospace and the only

984
00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:17,390
private citizen that actually has two

985
00:40:22,810 --> 00:40:20,730
satellites in orbit right now but very

986
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:22,820
interested in UFOs and at one point

987
00:40:28,790 --> 00:40:26,970
contracted the researchers from MUFON

988
00:40:30,620 --> 00:40:28,800
that they called the star team to

989
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:30,630
actually gave them credit cards the

990
00:40:34,970 --> 00:40:32,130
whole works to actually go out and

991
00:40:38,540 --> 00:40:34,980
investigate possible are reported

992
00:40:42,740 --> 00:40:38,550
landings of UFOs and then within a year

993
00:40:44,330 --> 00:40:42,750
withdrew his support mysteriously do you

994
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:44,340
know anything about this yeah I know an

995
00:40:48,830 --> 00:40:47,130
awful lot about that and it would it

996
00:40:50,030 --> 00:40:48,840
would take far more than Patrick weeds

997
00:40:51,530 --> 00:40:50,040
would never permit me to answer that

998
00:40:53,540 --> 00:40:51,540
question that the lengths it would take

999
00:40:57,980 --> 00:40:53,550
but basically it wasn't too mysterious

1000
00:40:59,300 --> 00:40:57,990
law there were in turn a seeing problems

1001
00:41:03,170 --> 00:40:59,310
if you want to think of it like that

1002
00:41:06,020 --> 00:41:03,180
between between Robert Bigelow and and

1003
00:41:08,220 --> 00:41:06,030
and MUFON that that the project sort of

1004
00:41:10,380 --> 00:41:08,230
ran aground on it and

1005
00:41:15,420 --> 00:41:10,390
rightly or wrongly on his part and on

1006
00:41:16,740 --> 00:41:15,430
new Fonz part it fell apart and we had

1007
00:41:18,990 --> 00:41:16,750
access to all the data he didn't take

1008
00:41:20,730 --> 00:41:19,000
any day to not show it to us but I will

1009
00:41:22,770 --> 00:41:20,740
tell you from personal experience on two

1010
00:41:24,540 --> 00:41:22,780
occasions with Robert Bigelow that

1011
00:41:26,730 --> 00:41:24,550
episode with MUFON and an earlier

1012
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:26,740
episode with the UFO research coalition

1013
00:41:31,859 --> 00:41:28,450
he is not an easy man at all to work

1014
00:41:33,390 --> 00:41:31,869
with and I think his motivations are

1015
00:41:36,210 --> 00:41:33,400
truly wants to find out just like we do

1016
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:36,220
what's going on but it's not easy to

1017
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:38,410
work that's a good question though

1018
00:41:42,780 --> 00:41:40,210
thanks for bringing that up yeah you

1019
00:41:46,290 --> 00:41:42,790
seem to have an interest in detection of

1020
00:41:48,930 --> 00:41:46,300
UFOs making a lot of detectors have you

1021
00:41:52,260 --> 00:41:48,940
tried to tap into any of the radars in

1022
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:52,270
the country the radars where yeah I mean

1023
00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:53,890
all you need to receiver and a little

1024
00:41:59,580 --> 00:41:57,280
bit of processing there are there

1025
00:42:02,700 --> 00:41:59,590
military radars there are NASA radars

1026
00:42:04,590 --> 00:42:02,710
there are TV you know there are all

1027
00:42:06,930 --> 00:42:04,600
kinds of high power sources out there if

1028
00:42:08,430 --> 00:42:06,940
you can monitor the source and you can

1029
00:42:10,650 --> 00:42:08,440
monitor the reflections you've got a

1030
00:42:12,660 --> 00:42:10,660
radar right right now no one has

1031
00:42:13,890 --> 00:42:12,670
actually done that yet they've talked

1032
00:42:17,070 --> 00:42:13,900
about it but no one has actually picked

1033
00:42:18,570 --> 00:42:17,080
up on that they're in UFO history there

1034
00:42:20,910 --> 00:42:18,580
was someone that did that back in the

1035
00:42:23,010 --> 00:42:20,920
early early 50's on some sightings that

1036
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:23,020
occurred around Oak Ridge Tennessee he

1037
00:42:26,340 --> 00:42:24,250
was a private citizen and he bought a

1038
00:42:28,109 --> 00:42:26,350
radar set that disconcerted the Air

1039
00:42:29,670 --> 00:42:28,119
Force quite a bit but he did pick up

1040
00:42:32,370 --> 00:42:29,680
some stuff with that radar set back then

1041
00:42:36,980 --> 00:42:32,380
as if memories memory serves but yeah

1042
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:41,609
yeah yeah a Peter Davenport of the

1043
00:42:45,810 --> 00:42:43,330
national UFO Reporting Center he has a

1044
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:45,820
project that he wants that exactly what

1045
00:42:49,710 --> 00:42:48,160
you're talking about to occur but so far

1046
00:42:51,630 --> 00:42:49,720
no one's put up the money or done that

1047
00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:51,640
yet but I agree with you it's it's it's

1048
00:43:00,170 --> 00:42:56,560
worth pursuing that hello I've got two

1049
00:43:04,140 --> 00:43:00,180
questions all this run through them

1050
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:04,150
first question is this curious does your

1051
00:43:10,260 --> 00:43:06,450
your colleague Fran

1052
00:43:13,950 --> 00:43:10,270
Frances schefren rich yeah

1053
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:13,960
there's his detector detect airplane or

1054
00:43:21,810 --> 00:43:17,680
aircraft as well like how does it how

1055
00:43:23,099 --> 00:43:21,820
would it know to do cherish yeah that's

1056
00:43:25,079 --> 00:43:23,109
a good question I have given some

1057
00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:25,089
thought to that I haven't exactly read

1058
00:43:30,690 --> 00:43:27,250
on his site but I think he has got his

1059
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:30,700
instrument sort of sensitized that it's

1060
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:32,410
not overly sensitive to a passing

1061
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:33,970
aircraft or a passing car setting the

1062
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:35,680
thing off otherwise you know friend

1063
00:43:37,770 --> 00:43:36,880
would have been divorced long ago

1064
00:43:40,770 --> 00:43:37,780
because the thing would go off every

1065
00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:40,780
five minutes but no it's it's there's a

1066
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:42,880
margin built in there that takes a

1067
00:43:47,550 --> 00:43:45,010
pretty large perturbation of the

1068
00:43:51,660 --> 00:43:47,560
magnetic field beyond just an aircraft

1069
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:51,670
going by to set that thing off and he's

1070
00:43:54,930 --> 00:43:52,960
never reported seeing an airplane go

1071
00:43:56,430 --> 00:43:54,940
ahead overhead either that I know of

1072
00:44:00,180 --> 00:43:56,440
when you when he hears it going off and

1073
00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:00,190
my second point is is that if the

1074
00:44:08,300 --> 00:44:05,040
reports of UFOs being being truly

1075
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:08,310
anomalies did they disappear or they're

1076
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:13,210
not there than they appear and so fast

1077
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:16,240
and so all these things would make sense

1078
00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:18,490
that if it's going if the if his

1079
00:44:27,390 --> 00:44:21,250
detector is detecting something it's

1080
00:44:28,140 --> 00:44:27,400
something within an anomalous flavor to

1081
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:28,150
it you know

1082
00:44:34,349 --> 00:44:31,690
oh so it's picking up something 300

1083
00:44:39,089 --> 00:44:34,359
miles away out of range makes sense

1084
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:39,099
because it's a quantum detector or their

1085
00:44:47,609 --> 00:44:43,359
quantum anomalies yeah yeah I can't I

1086
00:44:49,109 --> 00:44:47,619
can't really deny that specifically with

1087
00:44:50,820 --> 00:44:49,119
regard to Fran Ridge finding this odd

1088
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:50,830
correlation between sightings that

1089
00:44:53,790 --> 00:44:52,210
occurred hundreds of miles away from his

1090
00:44:55,470 --> 00:44:53,800
detector which maybe has a range of 30

1091
00:44:57,300 --> 00:44:55,480
miles he's picking up something that

1092
00:45:00,450 --> 00:44:57,310
seems to be the leading edge of what

1093
00:45:03,450 --> 00:45:00,460
then occurs a day later in New Mexico or

1094
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:03,460
someplace I can't explain it at all but

1095
00:45:07,050 --> 00:45:04,690
it could be what you what you say

1096
00:45:09,770 --> 00:45:07,060
because we're talking about where time

1097
00:45:12,329 --> 00:45:09,780
and space we what we're all

1098
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:12,339
investigating and learning about is

1099
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:15,520
where there are events or perceptions

1100
00:45:22,890 --> 00:45:19,119
outside of time and space as we know it

1101
00:45:26,370 --> 00:45:22,900
or events outside and this seems this

1102
00:45:29,130 --> 00:45:26,380
seems to fall right into that yeah I

1103
00:45:31,620 --> 00:45:29,140
can't I can't but I agree with you there

1104
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:31,630
on that yeah give a look at his site and

1105
00:45:35,130 --> 00:45:33,249
and and yeah see what you think about

1106
00:45:37,230 --> 00:45:35,140
his reports on that at the end of made

1107
00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:37,240
are you'll see a little hyperlink down

1108
00:45:41,700 --> 00:45:39,609
there on his site and you can see a lot

1109
00:45:43,860 --> 00:45:41,710
more than I talked about here today okay